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Posted: 02 July 2009 at 4:27pm | IP Logged Quote NeilA

Banksy, I touched upon this subject back in Dec'08 following your Farncombe gig & I thought it might just be worth opening a debate about it again now. The main reason being is that the recently released ATF Radio Sessions 79-81 cd is just so good that it would be a crying shame not to introduce the material in this original vibrant form to a whole new generation (& satisfy the older one for that matter) & what better way to do that by re-uniting with Andy (if only on powerful, pounding bass with Rob on vocals) for a thumping 30 year college/university style reunion tour ??

I know you're all a bit older now & that finance is a concern, but I would repeat that the music is simply too good to let these things get in the way of re-lighting the fire after 30 years. Surely there must be producers &/or promoters who've heard the sessions cd that can make it happen ??

Here's hoping, Neil A.

 

 

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Posted: 03 July 2009 at 9:39am | IP Logged Quote Banksy

Morning Neil and many thanks for your comment. Really pleased you love the Radio Sessions CD, as I have already mentioned in e-mails I really do think it shows off how good ATF were in our heyday.

However, I must seriously stress their is NO DEBATE! Andy P will not join forces with the current ATF and right from our open rehearsal in 1995 has maintained that position. He expressed that he had (and presumably still has) great comfort in what he was doing musically and therefore there was no desire to re-visit what we had achieved in our day. Additionally we have kept him informed of what we are up to. As you probably know, Andy has now re-settled in the States where he lives and works.

What we need as ATF in the 21st Century is encouragement for what we are doing now!!! Frankly it is seriously hard work running the band and running the dates we do both from a financial and time perspective.

Taking the financial side first it is down to arithmetic... on the Autumn tour last year we played to an average audience of 85 people. Total ticket sales LESS costs (a long list!) meant there was £212.20 left to pay the band and crew for 10 days of around 12 hours each - I am not a greedy person yet my instinct tells me what I gave at each gig is worth more than £2.65?!

A second aspect of the financial side is please do NOT think that playing live means we make shed loads of money selling CDs! It simply doesn't work that way anymore. We really appreciate your loyalty buying the CDs through our Webshop which is a massive help to keep us going. There again the business has changed and CD sales are very low for nearly every artiste.

Now let's look at the time side... for us to play in ATF means we give up time with our families, holiday days from work, weekends and just simply chilling out! It is sacrificial despite the enjoyment of being 'loved' for a couple of hours :-)

So, we have to examine the dreaded question, 'is it worth it?' and with the economic climate affecting live gigs so badly that becomes even more critical... if our audience numbers decline even slightly then we truly 'pay to play'.

I rest my case...

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Posted: 03 July 2009 at 2:41pm | IP Logged Quote Ian

NeilA wrote:
what better way to do that by re-uniting with Andy (if only on powerful, pounding bass with Rob on vocals)


I'll get me coat then.
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Posted: 03 July 2009 at 3:52pm | IP Logged Quote NeilA

Banksy & Ian, for clarity's sake I  was in no way belittling or denegrating your latest sound & performances which are absolutely terrific & much appreciated by myself &, I suspect, all long-term followers & fans of ATF. Long may they continue in whatever format, style & venues you're able.

Instead, I was merely hoping & dreaming that a whole new generation could experience the stength, intensity & power of the original sights & sounds that we so enjoyed in our youth.

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Posted: 10 August 2009 at 10:34am | IP Logged Quote Pete Coles

Hi Banksy

OK - no Andy P. But as you say, let's look forward, not back.

Given all that you have written above, what is the point of After the Fire? You say the band are "paying to play" or very nearly, and you want to focus on the future. Surely if you are touring and making a loss, you cannot continue!  So what is the future for ATF? What is it you hope to achieve?

Please excuse my impertenance!


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Posted: 10 August 2009 at 1:56pm | IP Logged Quote Ian

Pete's on hols so it could be a while before you get a reply!
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Posted: 11 August 2009 at 11:53am | IP Logged Quote quantise

All good questions and ones which we need to stop and take stock of
from time to time.

Err- off the top of my head, I would say that right now it's a very
expensive hobby!

A hobby that we all enjoy immensely. We love the music. We love the
audiences. It's great to re-connect with old fans and sometimes make
new ones. It's an outlet for our creativity.

Why do painters paint? Why do dancers dance? Why do actors act?
Somewhere in amongst many possible answers there is one that goes,
simply for the joy of it.

However, from a practical point of view, we have a band mission
statement that includes three points that might have some bearing on
this question and give us a yardstick by which to measure. The first is
that we like to think that by doing what we do, in some way we're making
a difference. The second is that we do it within our means and not get
into debt and the third is that it should be fun!

The thing is though, that many bands may get to the point where they are
unviable for either creative, practical or fiscal reasons but they decide to
keep going. Why? Because they love it!

I'm sure Peter will elaborate when he gets back from his hols.

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Posted: 16 August 2009 at 3:22pm | IP Logged Quote Kimberley

Will there be any former members for the anniversary (i.e Ivor Twiddell, Tim Hatwell or Nick Battle?). Also will future gigs extend beyond church venues?
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Posted: 23 August 2009 at 9:45pm | IP Logged Quote blokeattheback

Kimberley wrote:
Will there be any former members for the anniversary (i.e Ivor Twiddell, Tim Hatwell or Nick Battle?). Also will future gigs extend beyond church venues?


The man at the sound desk writes: regarding church venues - Oh, I hope so. doing anything vaguely 'loud' in the average church building is a pain in the, er, ears.
Even modern church buildings were usually designed with no thought at all for anything other than speech.....I can feel a rant coming on, I'd better go and lie down.


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Posted: 24 August 2009 at 5:44am | IP Logged Quote wolfpjw

From the First time I heard ATF,the Band became one of my
favs, and is one of my all time favs! I have not had the
enjoyment of seeing ATF Live, and it doesn't hurt to dream;
but I understand having to be wise in what you can do and
when.    I hope more people discover this great music and
spread the word. I'm so excited to hear(Demos)unreleased
songs,and I feel like a Rainbow has appeared in my life.
Thanks!

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